e) My husband goes to this Yarchei Calla where they have bagels and lox and eggs and a deluxe breakfast, followed by excellent shiurim, while I get to catch up on housework and clean and do laundery and other mundane chores.And then hear how Thanksgiving is a Goyish zach and its more important to learn then talk about American govt things. That is until they are giving foodstamps and hud, etc...
I don't know why option A is - "I'm a Chassid, I don't celebrate these holidays".This is not a Chassidish-Litfish issue.Rav Moshe Feinsten z"l writes in Igros Moshe (Orach Chaim 5-20, Even Haezer 2-13), that one is forbidden to celebrate (Simcha) or make a special dinner (Seudah) on Thanksgiving.He even says that a Ba'al Nefesh shouldn't celebrate a legitimate Simcha, like a Chasunah, on Thanksgiving, since it may appear that he is celebrating Thanksgiving.As for how I personally celebrate Thanksgiving; I think I just gave it away. I don't.Have a wonderful day!
lol.B. I am off from work surfing blogs.
I am restingup so I go do my holiday season shopping tomorrow at Wal-Mart at 5AM. This way I can mimick the goyim by giving presents to my neices and nephews. It seems that this particular form of Avoida Zuru is acceptable while turkey eating is not. Oi, es is gut tzu zein a yid.....
I'm at work today....really ticks spousy off.Well, Shabboss is just around the bend.
I am giving thanks that I have a day off and the kids are in school. The only real vacation!
Where would all those Hungarian, Russian & Polish Jews gone 60 something years ago if not for this country. there's what to be thankful for
I guess I'd haveto answer a combination of some of A and some of B.
IFT... Chill Out!!! This is a blog, not the coffee room in BMG..
My answer is a
Hi Ms. Pointe,I vote "C", what wrong with a good excuse for a great meal? And educating the little ones don't hurt either!Burp, ('scuse me)Chaim
Yup I am definitely B:)
In my opinion, I don't see why this is such a forbidden holiday. If you ask me, we have a lot to be grateful to be able to live in this country and take advantage of its opportunities. My family and I used to go to the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade every year. This year the weather spoiled it for us, so we were home instead. But it's a nice holiday.
Some of you seem to excuse the ‘chikas hagoy’ by arguing that we have to show gratitude to America by celebrating Thanksgiving. I absolutely agree that we have be appreciative of this great country, but why would you think that that has anything to do with observing a secular holiday?Americans can respect our own traditions. If we want to show appreciation why don’t we start by teaching our kids to be thankful to America? I think that will be a Thanksgiving start.SemGirl – Behind your sefarim shrank there are hidden stairs. Meet me in the cellar for hush-hush turkey gobbling. If we won’t get lox, we deserve turkey.Frummer – I need a good course in what chassidis is, but I intended to use the term ‘frum jew’. Now, welcome to answer A.Chavera – It’s not fair.Anon – The difference is simple. Wal-Mart converted to Orthodox Jewelry about ten years ago. Wal-Mart is one of ‘us’ now.Yingerman – And YOU’RE not ticked off? Megapixel – Watchout. Too much gratitude can lead to turkey festivities.It’s All Good Now – With all the B you’ve got going you couldn’t be convinced to let go of the A?Lipelle – You seem to be on the winning teamCaim – Your manners are inexcusable. Can’t you see we’all here had falcha fish tonight? Tucker that belly back under your belt cause it’s flauntin’ with me appetite!Social Worker – again, another vote towards thankfulness.Café – Who can mess with Americans better than the weather?Does anyone know how to change the font on comments?
Shpitzel, I would assume that the ones who 'hold' of Thanksgiving teach their kids to be grateful to America, don't you think? So it's not a start, it works hand in hand.
Cafe,The two CAN work hand-in-hand but do not have to. Some people seem to be so repulsed by the 'goy' that they'll find any halachik backing to further bash anything that’s not exactly like them. How many kids go around with a severe attitude problem towards the secular community?I'm saying that people can only be frum so long. We have to draw a line. Celebrating thanksgiving is simply an excuse for a meal, while being grateful to America is a must.
danksgifing shmenksgifing breng arein de feine POIKA un lomir zich lozen voil geinthere is a joke that all the - lehavdil - yomim tovim boil down top he same thing they wanted to kill us, they didn't succed, now let's celebrate,being thankful to America, can be done by saying the tefilla lishlom malchus, and doesnt have to be celbrating the secualr holidays, which is acording to many poskim chukas hagoy.
What in the world is POIKA? I want some!All holidays might evolve around those that wanted to kill us, but in the same yom tov stories there are also 'good goyim' that tried to fend for us. We have no right to practice the goy=bad hate mantra. These goyim have helped us in too many ways. When we celebrate Pesach, Purim or Chanakah we don't celebrate our victory against them.
I pardon the turkey. Come on, think bigger! I go for the cow.
Shpitzel, if you are sincerely interested in knowing what Chassidus really was and is, I can help.Thanks for ammending option A.Semgirl, I may be independent and I may be a thinker, but I'm also Frum. :) Is there anything wrong with me presenting the Frum perspective on this?A great evening to all!
Nuch, you're right about that. Anyway, for me, celebrating went as far as getting the day off from work and checking out the Parade. Not bad, huh? Especially if there was none of that cooking involved.
I would have to say B, though I have no issues with eating turkey on this day (se my post) lol
Hey, I didn't get off work.
Shpitzle, I forgot to mention that the picture is hilarious!
Shpitzle, you've gotta be kidding me. Why would I want to let go of my chassidus? Yes, the chassidishe velt has its flaws, but the good far outweighs the negative and that's good enough for me!!
I celebrate it the same way I celebrate Labor Day, Christmas, New Years Day and Memorial Day...
Shpitz, What did I do on Thanksgivin? I e-mailed a few freinds, but only SOME replied..
Independent - Thank you, thank you, thank you for taking pity on my artistic efforts. It almost went unnoticed!I wouldn't mind to hear about chassidus, that's for sure. But you don't have to write a sefar. Just the basics if you will...Thanks!
It's all good now - Sorry, misunderstanding. I didn't ask you to let go of the 'chassidus'. I asked you if with the vacation you got you're not tempted to cook up a good meal.My big question: what's 'chikus hagoy?' Is everything they do off limits for us?
Shpitzle, I think chikas hagoy is more attitude than actuality.
Oh, you're so right. Like always, attitudes are converted into rules and trouble begins...
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